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Cylinder #5 misfire code (p0305) and it runs rough - how to diagnose problem?

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Last week I dropped my 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan (132,000 miles) off at the repair shop who I let do work that I can't or don't want to do myself. They mounted two new tires for me. I had to wait until about 9:00 pm to get it when I could get a ride there to pick it up. On the way home, the car started running very badly. At first I thought one of the tires was flat, but then I realized it was the engine. I opened the hood and started revving it, and I noticed visible sparks at the base of the front spark plugs. I shut it off and pushed the spark plug cables down as tightly as I could, and it didn't seem to spark any more but still ran rough. By the way, the spark plugs were original, so they needed changing anyway. I did the "key dance" and got a P0305 code, which is a cylinder #5 misfire. As it turns out, I had a new set of plugs and wires at the house that I was going to install the next day anyway, in preparation for a trip, so I nursed it home and changed the plugs and wires the next day. The car definitely ran better, but the engine still had a miss and eventually the code reappeared (I disconnected the battery while I was changing the plugs to clear it). I've read tons of posts about similar problems, and I don't think I've read one yet where the ending post was, "So I fixed the problem and the cause was xxxxx." I've seen lists of possible causes, usually consisting of some combination of spark plugs, spark plug wires, ignition coil, injectors, toasted injector wiring harness, burnt valve in the head, clogged catalytic converter, or bad PCM. Other than replacing the plugs and wires, here's what I've done so far or what I know: 1. Replaced spark plugs and spark plug wires. 2. Checked the spark on the number five terminal of the coil, and a few others, using a cheap Harbor Freight inline spark tester. It works, and in my experience, having a bad coil is not common. 3. Spark plugs 1, 3, and 5 (rear) were significantly more carbon-fouled than plugs 2, 4, and 6 (front). See attached pictures. Based on this, it really seems like there's something common to the rear cylinder head that is causing this problem. If there were separate O2 sensors for the cylinder banks, I would suspect that, but there isn't. 4. After I changed the plugs and it didn't fix the problem, I suspected the injectors, and I threw a hail mary pass. I bought some Techron fuel injector cleaner and dumped almost a whole can in about a quarter tank of gas. 5. I burned almost the entire quarter tank driving to a muffler shop to get their opinion as to whether the catalytic converter was clogged. They said they thought it was, but that it shouldn't be causing the engine to run that bad. Also, they pulled the P0305 code and said there must be another problem causing the misfire that should probably get fixed before replacing the catalytic. 6. Running the engine, both before and after the plugs were changed and the Techron was added to the tank, leaves a black stain on my (new) concrete driveway. See the picture. So what is the problem? Based on reading the spark plugs, it really seems like it has to be a problem that affects all three cylinders in the rear head (1, 3, and 5). I've read in other posts that the injector wiring harness can touch the exhaust manifold and get burned, and that sounds like a good guess, but I don't know how to inspect it: it seems like the upper intake manifold has to be removed before I can even see it, let alone test it or replace it. Same goes for the fuel rail or fuel injectors. I can only include 5 pictures per post, so I'll add another post so I can upload all the pictures.  

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Usually caused by weak spark or rich mixture. Can't see a coil causing this so I would agree there's something up with the cylinder head. Might try a compression check and compare the aft bank to the front. Pretty sure starting with the 05s they rerouted that fuel injector harness.  

Okay, I think taking the time to compose this post sharpened my thoughts on this. The big clue was that, whatever it was, it had to be something that is common to all three rear cylinders. I initially ruled out the coil because I've never had a coil fail on my before, and this one actually had spark. However, when I went out to look (again) for a dangling wire harness that might have gotten burnt, I noticed that the coil was located directly above the exhaust crossover pipe. I thought that it was possible that it had started to fail because of heat, and whatever went bad affected all three of the rear terminals. I looked up signs of ignition coil failure on the web and all the symptoms matched my situation. I also read that a reason for a coil to fail is if the spark plugs are left in too long, and it takes more power for the coil to spark them. This was definitely my situation; I left the original plugs in there for 132,000 miles (9 1/2 years), and they were so bad I don't know how the car even ran. Plus three of the six were loose enough I could unscrew them by hand (4, 1, and 3); that could be why I saw sparks (forgot to mention that). So I took a chance, bought a coil, installed it and the problem is fixed. No misfire code, it idles at right around 650 rpm, and revs up to 6000 or more with no problem, idles smooth, starts easy, and runs good. Success!  

mantonas said: So I took a chance, bought a coil, installed it and the problem is fixed. No misfire code, it idles at right around 650 rpm, and revs up to 6000 or more with no problem, idles smooth, starts easy, and runs good. Success! Click to expand...

The rear plug wires degrade faster. Changing mine fixed a mis-fire once. The old ones were hard. But you changed plug wires. I had a bad coil pack once, the coil closest to the engine (#2 & 5 cyl recall). I found it by clamping a timing light over the plug wires (no flash from those). But you verified with an in-line spark tester. Don't put too much trust in the cyl# code. Misfire detection is not exact. Try reducing the spark plug gaps. That worked in my 2.4L (Chrysler TSB for turbo engines, not mine). Check your fuel injector harness. If like my 2002 3.8L, it has a velcro wrap that is easy to open and inspect. A bad crank signal can cause mis-fire, and that is usually the code you get. The crank & cam sensors share an 8 V supply, so a bad cam sensor can mess up the crank signal. Good luck.  

06 caravan 3.3l Same issue here, running rough , no pickup, code for misfire 5 . Replaced coil,solved it. Thanks for the thread would not have started with the coil.  

mantonas said: Last week I dropped my 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan (132,000 miles) off at the repair shop who I let do work that I can't or don't want to do myself. They mounted two new tires for me. I had to wait until about 9:00 pm to get it when I could get a ride there to pick it up. On the way home, the car started running very badly. At first I thought one of the tires was flat, but then I realized it was the engine. I opened the hood and started revving it, and I noticed visible sparks at the base of the front spark plugs. I shut it off and pushed the spark plug cables down as tightly as I could, and it didn't seem to spark any more but still ran rough. By the way, the spark plugs were original, so they needed changing anyway. I did the "key dance" and got a P0305 code, which is a cylinder #5 misfire. As it turns out, I had a new set of plugs and wires at the house that I was going to install the next day anyway, in preparation for a trip, so I nursed it home and changed the plugs and wires the next day. The car definitely ran better, but the engine still had a miss and eventually the code reappeared (I disconnected the battery while I was changing the plugs to clear it). I've read tons of posts about similar problems, and I don't think I've read one yet where the ending post was, "So I fixed the problem and the cause was xxxxx." I've seen lists of possible causes, usually consisting of some combination of spark plugs, spark plug wires, ignition coil, injectors, toasted injector wiring harness, burnt valve in the head, clogged catalytic converter, or bad PCM. Other than replacing the plugs and wires, here's what I've done so far or what I know: 1. Replaced spark plugs and spark plug wires. 2. Checked the spark on the number five terminal of the coil, and a few others, using a cheap Harbor Freight inline spark tester. It works, and in my experience, having a bad coil is not common. 3. Spark plugs 1, 3, and 5 (rear) were significantly more carbon-fouled than plugs 2, 4, and 6 (front). See attached pictures. Based on this, it really seems like there's something common to the rear cylinder head that is causing this problem. If there were separate O2 sensors for the cylinder banks, I would suspect that, but there isn't. 4. After I changed the plugs and it didn't fix the problem, I suspected the injectors, and I threw a hail mary pass. I bought some Techron fuel injector cleaner and dumped almost a whole can in about a quarter tank of gas. 5. I burned almost the entire quarter tank driving to a muffler shop to get their opinion as to whether the catalytic converter was clogged. They said they thought it was, but that it shouldn't be causing the engine to run that bad. Also, they pulled the P0305 code and said there must be another problem causing the misfire that should probably get fixed before replacing the catalytic. 6. Running the engine, both before and after the plugs were changed and the Techron was added to the tank, leaves a black stain on my (new) concrete driveway. See the picture. So what is the problem? Based on reading the spark plugs, it really seems like it has to be a problem that affects all three cylinders in the rear head (1, 3, and 5). I've read in other posts that the injector wiring harness can touch the exhaust manifold and get burned, and that sounds like a good guess, but I don't know how to inspect it: it seems like the upper intake manifold has to be removed before I can even see it, let alone test it or replace it. Same goes for the fuel rail or fuel injectors. I can only include 5 pictures per post, so I'll add another post so I can upload all the pictures. Click to expand...

This is one of the only threads I've seen where someone replaced the coil, and it fixed an issue. Usually the coils don't fail. 2005 was the starting year of the rerouted wiring harnesses, so melted injector harness would be a MUCH less likely cause. Glad the OP fixed it, and a couple others posted and shared that it worked for them, too!  

Interesting. My coil failed not long after I bought the van. It was the same thing, #5. The plugs and wires were fresh since I replaced them as soon as I bought the van with 150,000 miles. I wonder if #5 on the coli was weak from the factory or maybe the computer tosses that code first for some reason. Never got the p0300 code for multiple.  

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Cylinder 5 Misfire on idle HELP

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Car has been in the shop for two weeks. Replaced cylinder 5 spark plug and ignition coil. mechanic says:Leakdown test was good, valvetrain all looks good, still working our way down the list of possibilities.It's possible for valve guides to be worn causing misfire at idle. he seems to not be able to find the problem.  

Ask your mechanic to check for DTCs with an advanced scantool.  

Thanks I will.  

If it is the 3.6, it could be a rocker arm.  

It is the 3.6  

Did a check engine light come on? I went through this with my 2011. It was cylinder #3. There was also a problem with the left cylinder head with the early 3.6 but I think by 2014 it no longer was a problem. Good luck.  

The light did come on other then that no signs. No loss of power. Very very light shake at idle.  

Yup same symptoms I had.  

sounds like he forgot to check the fuel injector , that could cause it . Also a collapsed HLA or broken rocker arm. That’s common for cars with high mileage . Listen for a loud ticking noise from the valve covers. If it’s ticking it’s most likely a rocker arm causing the misfire  

Let me know what you come up with. The person i took it too said he can’t figure out what it is. Leak down good. Rocker arm good. Sensors good. Compression test good. Injectors good. The misfire is on idle only. Not sure what to do at this point.  

Or it needs a pcm software update to fix “ false illumination of DTC “ it’ll throw the code but nothing is actually wrong with it  

Trying to figure mine out as well. I did a valve guide job. Inspected all components, only thing i did t do was pressure test the head. It looked great! I did find pitting on cylinder 5 exhaust valves. Put it back together ran great for 2 miles and misfire came back same cylinder. Im leaning towads computer update now.... mine is 2014 3.6  

Be sure to check the condition of the spark plugs in that cylinder especially the porcelin (sp?) as a crack can cause your problem.  

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Engine P0305 (Intermittent misfire on cylinder #5)

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I have a 2011 Charger RT Road & Track with an intermittent misfire on cylinder #5. I thought it might the lifters or injector. Turns out oil is getting past the piston rings and the plugs are fouling. Do I need to do a bottom end rebuild or can I just replace the bad rings? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks  

Sorry to hear it. I'm not sure if a single cylinder ring job can be done in car. If I have to get a long block it would be from Pro Engines , they trade through eBay . Unless you want a forged build. They do a great job rebuilding. I would be interested in the troubleshooting process you went through. I'm not doubting you, I am just curious. Misfires can be tricky. I had a coil fail on #2 that was coded as #8 because it was failing at higher RPM's where the ECM can have difficulty with accuracy. Did you do a compression check or a leak-down test? Swap coils to the other bank? Does she smoke? Is there oil on all the spark plug threads and under the washers in the plug well? Does the car run rough or just toss the code. I would like to see the plugs if you have images. Keep us up to date how you do with it.  

Why replace just the bad rings is my question! I presume you want to replace just #5 rings. Nooooo. Its wearing . . . the engine. Either tear it completely down and rebuild it or do as georgipi recommends.  

How many miles on it ? I would defiantly do the tests Georglapi recommended....  

He might have, I'm just curious.  

The engine has 160,000 miles on it. I changed all 16 spark plugs and all 8 coils. I installed a new injector on the affected cylinder. I had Precision Tune run a complete system diagnostic. They came up with the same code plus one for the pcv valve. They pulled the plugs from cylinder #5 and the electrodes were oily. They told me oil was getting passed the ring and fouling them. I bought a pcv valve and replaced the old one hoping that would relieve the excess crankcase pressure and be a cure. Obviously that didn't do the trick. My options are a bottom-end rebuild, a low mileage used engine, a remanned engine or a crate engine. I've also considered a used 6.4 SRT-8 engine, but I would probably need all the computers, harnesses, sensors, etc. Thanks for your replies.  

I would honestly look into failed cam lobe before rings. Being a 2011 its one of the worst years for it.  

Would that cause the oiling on the electrodes? If it is the lifters and cam lobe, do I need to replace the lifters and push rods on all the cylinders? Should I go with MDS or Non MDS?  

Big Ray said: Would that cause the oiling on the electrodes? Click to expand...

Usually cylinders #5 and #8 are the two to look for with the cam and lifter debacle.  

When I endured my lifter failure at 105k miles, it was #5.  

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Cylinder 4 misfire Code P0304

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I have a 2015 Journey Crossroad 3.6L with 94,000 miles, an a code P0304 cylinder 4 misfire.  After doing all things mention below, the engine runs smother and it fills with more power....however, when I start the engine or while I'm at a stop light the RPM's are between 500-600 too low. And the Scanner still reading the same code.

What I have done to correct the issue with no luck? 

- I swap coils 4 and 2

- replaced all 6 coil-on-plug insulator boots with new ones

- replace spark plug #4 with new one

- cleaned all fuel injectors (I removed the injectors and cleaned them with a wire brush, and also connected a cleaning line tool with the straw to the fuel line and a carb cleaner)

- cleaned O2 sensors

At 90,000 miles (3 months ago) I replaced the oil/cooling filter housing with gaskets, replaced oil & filter, replaced all spark plugs and the pcv valve.

I can't find any air leaks...

Any recommendations? Thanks in advance  

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Pulling the fuel injectors and "cleaning" the nozzle tips (particularly with a wire brush) is not the best way to handle that situation. The spray pattern is done internally in each injector. IF there was that much "gunk" on the injector tips to warrant you trying that, then I'd surmise that there is an excessive amount of intake valve deposits and internally "gummed up" injectors to warrant using a can of Seafoam in the fuel tank and a good LONG drive at highway speeds. Note this is NOT an "instant fix" cure, but more cost effective than new injectors and cylinder head removal for decarbonizing.

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I been using seafoam for long time, and now, after the 75, 000 I use the high mileage seafoam every 10,000 miles in all 4 cars. I will get another can, and will keep you guys posted.

Thanks again. 

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Compression on cylinder 4 would be useful information.

When you did oil cooler housing (like a lot of us also had to do) you had upper and lower manifolds removed.

it’s a good idea to replace both sets of gaskets at same time, the old  gaskets get crushed a bit. Air leak from bad intake manifold seal can create a cylinder misfire code sometimes.

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John, I did replace both sets of gaskets at the same time. 

I swap the injectors as well, erase the code and keep giving me the same reading "cylinder 4 misfire".

I'm going to check the compression now.

I had a similar issue on a Town and Country with the same 3.6 engine.  In my case it was a consistent cylinder #5 misfire DTC.  It would run rough at idle, but smoother at speed.    I ruled out the spark plug, coil, injector, computer, and upper cylinder head components.  The results of a compression test were acceptable.  In the end, it was ultimately a bad piston ring.  While it would make acceptable compression on that cylinder, it would not hold compression very long.  So using a simple compression tester did not show anything wrong.  It ended up being a leakdown test on that cylinder that revealed the problem.  I never skipped an oil change or any other maintenance so I'm not sure how the ring became damaged.

I hope this isn't the case for you, as that's a MAJOR repair or possibly even an engine replacement.

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Hi sorry to piggyback on your post not sure where to start a new one... I have a 2008 dodge grand caravan 3.8 l. K so first it was showing a issue with the pcm, replaced battery its fine then was leaking coolant pcm noticed a problem in cooling system. Found a Crack in hose, fixed. But prior to finding Crack I thought it was the thermostat possibly so took it off to boil it to test, it was fine - k so now the problem, I took off the spark plug wires from the ignition coil cylinders 2,4, and 6 they were in the way of the thermostat, and me being dumb started it without connecting said wires. Now I have a misfire in cylinder 4, code po304  I have changed the ignition coil, nothing. Would it be the plug or wires as they weren't connected? Or have I done something far worse? x) before changing coil which I figure was fine before I noticed no spark coming from the 4 diode. No noticeable frying of the electrical connector or fuses popped. Any advice?

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Dodge Journey P0302: Cylinder 2 – Misfire (Causes + How to Fix)

P0302 in the Dodge Journey is a common OBD II trouble code. It indicates that your vehicle’s second cylinder has a misfire.

P0302 is a real drivability concern and should be dealt with right away. If it’s bad enough to cause your Journey’s check engine light to come on, you shouldn’t drive your vehicle at all.

Repairing P0302 should be considered a high priority. Unlike a lot of the OBDII codes, this code has to do directly with engine combustion. It also can cost money to ignore it, since driving with a misfire can damage the Journey’s catalytic converter.

The most common fix for P0302 is to replace the spark plugs, coil packs, or (if equipped) plug wires. 

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P0302 + Other Codes

Common questions, p0302 meaning:  cylinder 2- misfire detected.

P0302 is a cylinder-specific misfire code, meaning it’s only the second cylinder that has a misfire. But, where is the second cylinder?

On “V” configuration engines, it’ll usually be the first cylinder on the head further back from the front of the engine.  A quick google image search will confirm the correct cylinder (include your Journey’s model year and engine type).

Misfire Detected

In order for an engine to burn fuel efficiently, each cylinder needs:

• Fuel – In the right quantity (around 14.7 parts air to one part fuel).
• Air – It needs to be metered by your Journey’s mass air flow sensor or MAP sensor, so the powertrain control module (PCM) knows exactly how much air to let into the combustion chamber.
• Spark – The spark plug needs to fire at the right time and at the right temperature.
• Compression – The air-fuel mixture must be compressed during the engine’s power stroke.

If one of the above variables is off, your Journey’s second cylinder will misfire, or it won’t fire at all.

Journey P0302 OBDII Code Symptoms

Here are the most common symptoms of P0302 in the Dodge Journey.

• Check engine light
• The vehicle itself may begin to run rough. It depends on how serious the misfire is.
• Your Journey may produce excess vibration, especially at lower RPM.
• Fuel mileage may suffer.
• You may smell raw gas coming from the tailpipe.
• The engine may backfire.

P0302 Trouble Code Causes: Dodge Journey

There are quite a few things that can cause the P0302 trouble code to trigger in the Dodge Journey.

Here are the most common problems that may cause misfiring. They are presented somewhat in order from most to least likely to be causing P0302:

• Bad Spark Plugs – A fouled spark plug is the most common cause of P0302. Look at the electrodes and see if they are in good shape. Your Journey likely has iridium plugs that need to be changed very infrequently. That being said, a bad spark plug is the number one offender when it comes to P0302 . Here’s a great video on verifying a spark plug is bad.
• Spark Plug Wires – On most modern engines, the plug wires are not nearly as long as they once were (if your vehicle even has them), but they can still go bad. Here’s how to tell if your plug wires are bad (video).
• Coil Packs – Coil packs rarely go bad, but when they do, they can cause P0302 in your Dodge Journey. Replacing a set can be very expensive. Here’s how to test them .
• Bad Fuel Injector – If you have a fuel injector that has failed, it won’t be able to properly atomize fuel, and you’ll get P0302. Here’s a good video on how to diagnose an injector ; it can be a little tricky. You’ll likely see P0171 and/or P0202 with a bad injector.
• Vacuum leak – If your Journey has a vacuum leak, it can be difficult for the PCM to get the right air/fuel mixture. This will cause the cylinders to misfire, and it’ll throw P0302 if the leak is around that specific cylinder on the intake manifold. Popular Mechanics : How to find a vacuum leak . You’ll likely see P0171 and P0300 when there’s a vacuum leak.
• Cam or Crank Sensors – This one is unlikely, but it does happen. If the ECU is not getting the right signal from these sensors, the vehicle’s timing will not sync up, and it’ll misfire. You’ll likely get P0300 and a cam/crank correlation code too.
• Mechanical Issue – If your Journey has a leaking head gasket, bent valve, cracked head, etc… that would cause compression to not be as high as it should be, you’re going to get P0302. You should also feel that your vehicle is down on power as well.

P0302 Fix: Dodge Journey

If P0302 is the only code you get when you plug an OBD II scanner into your Journey, this section should help you determine what is causing the code.

If you have multiple codes with P0302, jump down a section.

1. Swap Test

Here’s a quick and easy test to determine what is causing your Journey’s second cylinder to misfire. Swap ignition parts to another cylinder. Here’s how to do it.

• Identify the second cylinder.
• Remove the spark plug.
• Swap it with the most convenient cylinder to access’s spark plug.
• Clear your Journey’s DTC codes with a scanner.
• Start the engine and wait for the check engine light to come back on. If it changed to a different P030X code, the plug was bad.
• If nothing changed, do this for the coil packs and plug wires (if equipped).
• If the code stays P0302, you’ve ruled out ignition-related issues.

2. Diagnosis

Here’s what to look for when the swap test didn’t change your vehicle’s misfire code number.

• Check the wiring harness going to the cylinder two coil pack. If it’s damaged or loose, repair it. Ignition wiring is a common rodent damage area.
• Check for a vacuum leak.
• Verify the second injector is working (there’s a link to how to test one above).
• Do a compression test.
• Perform a leak-down test.

P0302 + P0300

The most likely reason your Journey will get P0300 and P0302 simultaneously is faulty spark plugs.

P0300 in the Dodge Journey indicates random multiple misfiring, which means that multiple cylinders are misfiring at the same time. 

If your Dodge Journey has P0300 and P0302 error codes, it’s best to diagnose why the second cylinder is misfiring and see if that will fix the P0302 code. 

Try doing the swap test from the previous section. Make note of the condition of BOTH spark plugs as you swap them. If they look fouled, new plugs will likely clear this code.

P0302 + P0171

Look for a vacuum leak around the second cylinder or a bad fuel injector.

P0171 is one of the most common trouble codes there is. While there are many potential causes for P0171, the most prevalent is a vacuum leak.

When your Journey has P0302 and P0171 together, it’s often caused by a clogged or underperforming fuel injector.

P0302 + Other Cylinder Misfire Codes

Treat P0302 with these codes like it has P0300.

P0302 will often be accompanied by codes P030 1, P0303 , P0304 , P0305, etc… These codes indicate a misfire in cylinders one, three, four, and five, respectively.

Treat P0302 with these codes like it has P0300. Suspect an ignition-related cause or a vacuum leak.

Is P0302 a serious concern?

P0302 is cause for concern and, left unfixed, can leave you stranded. Your Journey will be virtually undrivable if the second cylinder stops firing altogether. The raw fuel can also damage the catalytic converter.

Can you drive your Journey with P0302?

We do not advise driving your Journey with P0302. It can cause damage to your vehicle.

Is P0302 hard to repair?

Most of the time, P0302 is not hard to repair, as you’ll be swapping out ignition parts. It’s a great first-time project for a shade tree mechanic. If the problem ends up not being ignition related, that’s when you might have to bring it into a shop.

Replacing the spark plug or coil packs is the most common fix for P0302 in the Dodge Journey. There are other causes, but the swap test can help narrow them down considerably.

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Leninsky District, Moscow Oblast

Leninsky District is an administrative and municipal district, one of the thirty-six in Moscow Oblast, Russia. It is located in the center of the oblast just south of the federal city of Moscow. The area of the district is 202.83 square kilometers. Its administrative center is the town of Vidnoye. Population: 172,171; 145,251; 74,490. The population of Vidnoye accounts for 33.0% of the district's total population.

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Coordinates 55°33'25.739" N 37°42'31.371" E

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