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SUBLIME'S 1995 WARPED TOUR ITINERARY

01.31.1995 Los Angeles, CA - KROQ Loveline Sessions (Live on the Air)

01.06.1995  ??????, CA - Spike Gets Fixed??

01.10.1995 Los Angeles, CA - KROQ "Date Rape added to rotation"

01.15.1995 San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall

01.19.1995  ??????, CA - John Dunne Photo Shoot

01.20.1995 Fullerton, CA - Icehouse

01.27.1995 Fullerton, CA - Icehouse

01.29.1995  ??????, CA - ??????

01.31.1995 San Jose, CA - 98.5 KOME (Live on the air)

02.02.1995 Anaheim, CA - Cattleman’s Wharf - Firecracker Lounge - Brad Acoustic Show [Video]

02.03.1995 Cypress, CA - Cypress College Studio Theater [Video]

02.11.1995 Santa Cruz, CA - Palookaville

02.12.1995 San Diego, CA - Trade Show Party

02.13.1995 San Diego, CA - Soma

02.15.1995 Long Beach, CA - Seaport Marina Ballroom

02.17.1995 Hollywood, CA - Las Palmas Theater [Video]

02.18.1995 San Bernardino, CA - Underground

02.19.1995 San Fransisco, CA - Great American Music Hall

02.20.1995 Bakersfield, CA - Casa Royal

02.22.1995 Santa Cruz, CA - Palookaville "Bud Surf Tour"

02.23.1995 Berkeley, CA - Berkeley Square

02.25.1995 Petaluma, CA - The Phoenix Theater

03.02.1995 Salt Lake City, UT - Cinema Bar

03.11.1995 West Hollywood, CA - Troubadour

03.12.1995 Long Beach, CA - Fern's - "Date Rape Video" Recorded

03.15.1995 Tempe, AZ - Gibson’s

03.16.1995 Albuquerque, NM - Time Out

03.17.1995 Austin, TX - White Rabbit

03.20.1995 New Orleans, LA - Tipatina’s

03.21.1995 Pensacola, FL - Sluggos

03.22.1995 Atlanta, GA - The Point

03.23.1995 Jacksonville, FL - The Milk Bar

03.24.1995 Melbourne, FL - Club Zoo [Video]

03.25.1995 Indialantic, FL - Covered Dish - Groove Tube [Video]

03.27.1995 Tallahassee, FL - Cow Haus

03.29.1995 Virginia Beach, VA - The Abyss

04.02.1995 Asbury Park, NJ - The Stone Pony [Video]

04.04.1995 Burlington, VT - Club Toast

04.05.1995 Cambridge, MA - WCBN Interview

04.05.1995 Cambridge, MA - T.T. The Bear's Place [Video]

04.06.1995 New London, CT - El ‘N’ Gee Club

04.07.1995 Mantunuck, RI - Ocean Mist [Video]

04.08.1995 New London, CT - El 'N' Gee Club

04.09.1995 New York, NY - Wetlands

04.11.1995 Cleveland, OH - Agora Theatre & Ballroom

04.12.1995 Detroit, MN - Majestic

04.13.1995 Chicago, IL - Fireside Bowl

04.14.1995 Minneapolis, MN - Ground Zero

04.15.1995 Kansas City, MO - The Hurricane

04.17.1995 Columbia, MO - The Blue Note

04.18.1995 Lawrence, KS - The Bottleneck

04.20.1995 Boulder, CO - Fox Theater

04.25.1995 Long Beach, CA - Shoreline Park - "14th Annual Beachfest" [Video]

05.04.1995 Los Angeles, CA - KROQ On Air

05.05.1995 San Diego, CA - Soma

05.06.1995 Carson, CA - Olympic Velodrome - CSU Dominguez Hills [Video]

05.07.1995 Las Vegas, NV - The Huntridge Theatre [Video]

05.13.1995 Santa Barbara, CA - The Underground "Extravaganza '95"

05.23.1995 San Diego, CA - Schooners

05.26.1995 Honolulu, HI - After Dark

06.01.1995 San Bernardino, CA - California State University San Bernardino "End Of The World"

06.03.1996 Englewood, CO - Fiddlers Green Amphitheater "KTCL Radio Festival"

06.05.1995 Carson, CA - Olympic Velodrome - CSU Dominguez Hills

06.07.1995 Santa Cruz, CA - Palookaville

06.08.1995 San Francisco, CA - Komotion (Mixing tracks, No show played.)

06.08.1995 Petaluma, CA - Phoenix Theater

06.09.1995 Mountain View, CA - Shoreline Amphitheater - Live 105 B.F.D II Show

06.10.1995 San Diego, CA - SDSU Open Air Theater "91x Sunfest '95"

06.17.1995 Irvine, CA - Verizon Wireless Amphitheater / Irvine Meadows Amphitheater "KROQ Weenie Roast '95" [Video]

06.19.1995 Los Angeles, CA - Dragonfly

06.20.1995  ???????, CA - Hong Kong Fooey Recording

06.25.1995 Devore, CA - Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion "Punk Show '95"

06.25.1995 Brads Son, Jakob James Nowell Born, 7lbs 11oz.

06.26.1995 San Diego, CA - Del Mar Fairgrounds

07.??.1995 Los Angeles, CA - L.A. Coliseum

07.XX.1995 Catalina, CA - Badfish Video Recorded

07..1995 San Clemente, Ca Lost House Footage 1523 Calle Valle

07.25.1995 San Pedro, CA - Dancing Waters

07.26.1995 San Francisco, CA - Komotion

07.29.1995 Hollywood, CA - North Vine Studios

Warped Tour Begins

08.04.1995 Salt Lake City, UT - Salt Air / Great Salt Air

08.05.1995 Boulder, CO - Franklin Field / University of Colorado

08.07.1995 San Antonio, TX - Sunken Garden Amphitheater

08.08.1995 Houston, TX - Astro Exhibit Hall South

08.08.1995 "Badfish Single EP" released on Gasoline Alley/MCA

08.09.1995 Dallas, TX - Bomb Factory Entertainment Complex

08.11.1995 Atlanta, GA - Masquerade Music Park [Video]

08.12.1995 Orlando, FL - The Edge Concert Field [Video]

08.13.1995 Miami, FL - Bayfront Park & Amphitheater

08.14.1995 Tampa, FL - Expo Hall / Florida State Fair

08.15.1995 Myrtle Beach, SC - Myrtle Beach Stadium

08.16.1995 Norfolk, VA - The Boat House (Club and Field)

08.17.1995 Camden, NJ - Block / Sony Entertainment Center [Video]

08.18.1995 Asbury Park, NJ - Stone Pony Festival Arena

08.19.1995 Northampton, MA - Northampton Airport [Video]

08.20.1995 North Tonawanda, NY - Melody Fair Field - Wurtlitzer Park [Video]

08.21.1995 Uniondale, NY - Nassau Coliseum - Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum

08.23.1995 Toronto, ONT - CNE Grandstone Exhibit Place

08.24.1995 Cleveland, OH - Nautica Stage

08.25.1995 Pontiac, MI - Phoenix Plaza Amphitheater

08.26.1995 Rosemont, IL - Rosemont Horizon

08.30.1995 Vancouver, CAN - PNE Coliseum

08.31.1995 Portland, OR - Portland Meadows

09.01.1995 Seattle, WA - Memorial Stadium / Seattle Center

09.03.1995 Concord, CA - Concord Pavilion [Video]

09.04.1995 Los Angeles, CA - Verizon Wireless Amphitheater / Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre - Frazier Park [Video]

Warped Tour Ends

09 or 10.??.1995 Redondo Beach, CA - Total Access Studio - Recording S/T Album

09.10.1995 San Diego - K & 10th

09.12.1995 Brad Writes Letter To Mawg From The Toyes

09.16.1995 Long Beach, CA - The Foothill Cafe

09.29.1995 Anaheim, CA - Linda's Doll Hut

10.XX.1995 San Pedro, CA - The Waters

10.19.1995 Las Vegas, NV - The Huntridge Theater

10.19.1995 2 Redondo Beach, CA - Total Access Studio - Recording Whats Really Goin' Wrong

10.20.1995 Dana Point, CA - Michael's Supper Club

3 Ring Circus Tour Begins

10.21.1995 Hollywood, CA - The Palace [Video]

10.22.1995 Westwood, CA - Rhino Records

10.23.1995 Hollywood, CA - The Whiskey

10.25.1995 Santa Cruz, CA - Palookaville [Video]

10.26.1995 Santa Clara, CA - SC University

10.27.1995 San Francisco, CA - Trocadero

10.28.1995 Petaluma, CA - Phoenix Theater

10.30.1995 Arcata, CA - Brewin’ Beats

10.31.1995 Arcata, CA - Brewin’ Beats

11.01.1995 Eugene, OR - WOW Hall

11.02.1995 Portland, OR - Roseland Hill

11.03.1995 Seattle, WA - China Club

11.04.1995 Vancouver, BC - Town Pump

11.06.1995 Chico, CA - Zocolo Room

11.07.1995 Sacramento, CA - Cattle Club

11.08.1995 Palo Alto, CA - The Edge

11.09.1995 Ventura, CA - The Majestic Ventura Theatre [Video]

11.10.1995 Redlands, CA - University of Redlands

11.10.1995 San Bernadino, CA - San Bernadino Arena

11.11.1995 San Diego, CA - Soma - Cane's Bar & Grill

3 Ring Circus Tour Ends

11.18.1995 San Bernardino, CA - S. B. Arena (Correct Date ??)

11.20.1995 San Diego, CA - Casbah

12.01.1995 Costa Mesa, CA - Catwalk Empire Ballroom

12.02.1995 Victorville, CA - San Bernardino County Fairgrounds

Sno Core Tour Begins

12.08.1995 Sacramento, CA - The Grind Indoor Skatepark

12.09.1995 San Bernardino, CA - San Bernadino Arena

12.12.1995 Mesa, AZ - Nile Theater

12.13.1995 Vail, CO - Gartons

12.14.1995 Steamboat Springs, CO - The Inferno

12.15.1995 Denver, CO - Ogden Theater

12.16.1995 Crested Butte, CO - Rafters

12.19.1995 Salt Lake City, UT - Salt Air (Venue Changed)

12.19.1995 Salt Lake City, UT - State Fairpark Horticulture Building

12.20.1995 Jackson Hole, WY - Snow King Resort

12.21.1995 Jackson Hole, WY - Snow King Resort [Video]

12.22.1995 Boise, ID - Crazy Horse

12.27.1995 Portland, OR - LaLuna

12.29.1995 Redmond, WA - Redmond Firehouse

??.??.1995 Austin, TX - Austin Music Hall

??.?.1995  ???????, CA - "Skunkfest '95"

• In October / November the " 3 Ring Circus Tour " happened and a coinciding promo tape was released with tracks from Lordz of Brooklyn and Wesley Willis
• In December 1995 the " Sno Core Tour " kicked off with Skankin' Pickle, Rhythm Collision, and Guttermouth

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One Step Beyond: How Rancid, Sublime, No Doubt and a generation of US ska-punks spread the Two Tone gospel to the world

No Doubt's Don't Speak hit the number 1 spot on the UK singles chart on February 22, 1997. Here's how the foundations for the Californian band's phenomenal global success were laid

Record launches aren’t meant to also be farewell shows, but Operation Ivy didn’t do what other bands did. And so, on May 29, 1989 at famed Berkley punk mecca 924 Gilman Street, the forefathers of modern ska punk released their debut album, Energy , and split up that same evening. In a late 1980s scene dominated by thrash and hair metal, Operation Ivy had shown up playing a pissed-off mixture of punk and ska. It was a gamble - they were regularly heckled by crowds early on – but Gilman Street was the perfect hothouse for this unlikely fusion of sounds. “It was a great climate to be creative and do some cool shit,” Operation Ivy guitarist and future Rancid frontman Tim ‘Lint’ Armstrong recalled. “Gilman was a climate where you could play punk rock and ska and not get moshed on.” It was indeed, and something about what they were doing struck a chord with people. Early 80s British 2-Tone filtered through contemporary California punk had ended up turning Op Ivy into California punk’s most exciting underground band – and one of its hardest working. They played show after show after show, touring in a beaten-up 1969 Chrysler Newport, surviving on cheese sandwiches and sleeping on floors. But recording Energy was too much, and they went out in a blaze of glory at their home-from-home, two years to the month since they got together. That night, the 300-capacity Gilman Street was sold out four times over as the Bay Area punk crowd gathered to say farewell to their heroes. There would be one more private show in a friend’s garden, but that was it. Operation Ivy had come and gone, and the world hadn’t noticed. But, without meaning to, they’d started a revolution.

Ska has had three separate phases. It started in Jamaica in the late 1950s, mixing elements of Caribbean and American music together. Exported to the UK by Caribbean emigrés, by the late 70s it morphed into 2 Tone, taking on elements of punk and directly addressing the politics of the time – racial inequality, civil unrest and general downtroddenness. Then in the 90s, across the Atlantic in the US, came the third wave: ska punk . Dicky Barrett, frontman with ska punk linchpins The Mighty Mighty Bosstones , has a theory that ska pops up in troubled times. “I think ska is some sort of a musical super hero,” he told Punk News . “When people need to feel good, it seems to show up at just the right time. I think that whatever was going on in Jamaica in the 50s, with all the turmoil, it needed ska then. And it needed it in Margaret Thatcher’s England and we need it now. Do the math – when people are feeling down, they want to feel good. Ska is the thinking man’s way of enjoying himself.” When Operation Ivy’s Tim Armstrong formed Rancid in 1991, one of their founding principles was: “We don’t play ska.” They stuck to it on 1992’s self-titled, straight-up-punk debut, but ska was very much present on 1994 follow-up Let’s Go . Punk had replaced grunge as the next big thing thanks to Green Day and The Offspring , and Rancid found themselves being courted by Madonna’s label, Maverick. Instead, they stayed where they were, on punk label Epitaph. “Ultimately, we decided it would dumb not to stay with [Epitaph owner and Bad Religion guitarist] Brett Gurewitz, a real record guy, a punk rock record guy,” Armstrong later recalled. “Madonna’s cool, but she’s an international superstar. She’s not a punk rock record guy.” Rancid’s decision was borne out when their third album, 1995’s … And Out Come The Wolves , sold more than a million copies. More than half a decade after Operation Ivy’s demise, there was money to be made in ska punk.

While Operation Ivy were burning themselves out, 400 miles down the coast, ska was being reinvented in a different way. Formed in Long Beach in 1988, Sublime were a band that brought a party with them wherever they went. Where the Berkeley scene was filled with angry men in leather jackets, Sublime were sunsoaked beach bums in wraparound shades who filtered the sound of Jamaican ska through the Californian sunshine. The trio of singer and guitarist Bradley Nowell, drummer Bud Gaugh and bassist Eric Wilson – plus their constant companion, Nowell’s dalmatian Lou Dog – had a good thing going, partying up and down the Southern California coast and getting paid for it. They played raucous shows at house parties with hundreds of people that inevitably got out of control, resulting in the police showing up pretty much every time. Despite the popularity of a surfy, summery, stoned sound that combined ska with punk and hip-hop influences, Sublime couldn’t convince record labels to sign them – so they began their own, Skunk Records. Their 1992 debut album, 40oz. To Freedom, was partly recorded by breaking into the studio at night and using the equipment for free. When the bluntly-titled anti-abuse song Date Rape belatedly became a radio hit a full three years later after being picked up by tastemaking LA radio station KROQ, MCA signed Sublime (in the interim, they had released the messily experimental Robbin’ The Hood , featuring guest vocals on one track from Gwen Stefani, singer with then unknown Orange County ska punks No Doubt). Signing to a major label and booking a co-headlining slot on the first Warped Tour did nothing to calm Sublime down. Bud Gaugh later told Time magazine how they got booted from the tour: “Basically, our daily regimen was wake up, drink, drink more, play, and then drink a lot more. We’d call people names. Nobody got our sense of humour. Then we brought the dog out and he bit a few skaters, and that was the last straw.” But it was Bradley Nowell’s drug use that was really out of hand – what started as a dabble with heroin, a drug he perceived as having a kind of rock’n’roll romanticism to it, had spiralled into a fullon addiction. Recording their self-titled major-label debut, the singer’s partying was getting out of control. Butthole Surfers’ Paul Leary, who produced the album, told Rolling Stone : “There were times where someone had to go into the bathroom to see if Brad was still alive.” “He got this elitist attitude because he was a junkie,” Bradley’s wife, Troy, later told Spin . “He always used to say, ‘You guys don’t understand because you don’t do heroin.’ A lot of junkies are like that. They think they’re doing the most hardcore thing, sticking needles in their arm. We could say anything – ‘We understand what you’re going through’ – but we really don’t, and they know that. They like that.” Nowell tried to quit after the birth of his son Jakob, but relapsed every time. He died of an overdose on May 25, 1996, his body found by his hungover bandmates. He was 28. He’d got married just one week earlier, and Sublime’s self-titled album was still two months away from release. On the back of singles such as What I Got , Doin’ Time , Santeria and Wrong , the album became a massive hit, shifting six million copies but leaving behind countless unanswered questions about what might have been. Where would Nowell be today if he’d beaten his demons? Still hanging out in a van with his dog? Or would he be a huge star? That’s what happened to one of his friends, after all.

No Doubt formed in Anaheim, California in 1986, setting out to treat their sun-soaked Californian surroundings how their beloved Madness treated Camden Town. “When I discovered ska music in the late 70s, it was all about unity and antiracism, good skinheads and bad skinheads,” Gwen Stefani told Stereogum . “We were trying to imitate this other generation and they were so vocal about their message. We heard that.” After their 1992 self-titled debut album came out, the band were assured by an executive from LA’s KROQ that it would take “an act of God” for No Doubt to be played on the radio. While the world was embracing grunge, they were making cartoony ska-pop. Their followup, The Beacon Street Collection , was named after the location of the house the band shared. However, as the process of creating a third album began, the band started to fall apart. Keyboardist Eric Stefani, Gwen’s older brother, had always been the leading creative force in the band, but had a crisis of confidence when asked to collaborate with others, and left to pursue a career in animation. Meanwhile, the relationship between Gwen Stefani and bassist Tony Kanal was coming to an end. Gwen began writing lyrics, something she had never done before, and looked to her own life for inspiration – the way her parents treated her differently to Eric due to her gender, her former relationship with Kanal, and more. The resulting songs – including Just A Girl , Spiderwebs , Sunday Morning and Don’t Speak – led to Tragic Kingdom , the title a pun on the shadow of Disneyland the band had grown up in. It was one of the most successful albums of the decade, leading to a stratospheric rise to global fame. In August 1995, on the first ever Warped Tour – the same one Sublime’s dog was biting skaters at – No Doubt were billed tenth, their name printed smaller than the proclamation that the festival would feature a “huge climbing wall”. One month later, Just A Girl came out, equal parts poppy and angry, impossibly catchy and unapologetically livid. Stefani began bombarding radio stations with phone calls, calling KROQ a hundred times a day, but it soon became clear that doing so wasn’t necessary as the song was an immediate hit. A month after that, the album dropped, going on to sell a staggering 16 million units. The tour promoting Tragic Kingdom ended up circling the globe three times, playing larger and larger venues as the band’s fame grew. They were meant to be on tour for two months, but it ended up lasting two and a half years. Don’t Speak , which detailed Stefani and Kanal’s breakup, became the most-played song of 1996 on US radio and a crossover hit, its catchy anguish appealing to every demographic. While not in itself a ska song, its runaway success sparked massive interest in the scene the band had come out of. No Doubt were certified megastars, and surely there were more in the making.

No Doubt’s explosion led to a gold rush, with labels clamouring to sign ska punk bands, confident the hits would come. Save Ferris told Billboard their signing was a direct result of Stefani and co’s success, with guitarist Brian Mashburn saying, “I’d be kidding myself to think we got here all by ourselves.” And the hits did come. Reel Big Fish , fronted by bequiffed, sharp-sideburned Aaron Barrett, enjoyed a bona-fide chart hit with the 1996 single Sell Out . “When Sell Out came out, that was like in the movies,” Barrett recalled in a documentary about the ska punk scene, Pick It Up! Ska Punk In The ’90s . “They do a montage of playing a small show and then they get bigger and bigger and then they pan up the charts, going to Number One.” Reel Big Fish did make an appearance in South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker’s cult 1998 comedy BASEketball , performing a cover of A-Ha’s Take On Me and their best song, the phenomenally good Beer . Nonetheless, their brush with chart success cast quite a shadow over their subsequent career, sometimes dealt with jokingly (as with the compilation album Greatest Hit… And More ) and sometimes with a feeling of real bitterness. On their fifth album, a cover of Morrissey’s We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful has an extra line inserted: “ Especially if you’re No Doubt – that makes it so much worse ”. The other properly giant hit was The Mighty Mighty Bosstones’ The Impression That I Get , which hit the Number One spot on the Billboard Modern Rock chart in 1997, 14 years into the Bostonian nine-piece’s career. That same year, some bands started questioning how sustainable the ska punk explosion was. Less Than Jake drummer/ lyricist Vinnie Fiorello told Billboard : “Labels start signing copycat bands, and fans say, ‘Not another girl that sounds like Gwen. Not another guy with green hair and a suit. Not more guys jumping on crowds during horn solos.’” LTJ themselves were frequently accompanied on stage by Skullman, a tuxedoed dancer in a rubber mask. According to guitarist Chris Demakes, retiring Skullman was a practical decision after he gained some weight – struggling to get into the tuxedo was one thing, but then on a particularly hot Warped Tour day the less-bony-than-before Skullman “passed out and nearly died”. Ska punk was an integral part of the mammoth touring festival, and Less Than Jake played the Warped Tour a record 13 times. Reel Big Fish managed 11. Bands like Mad Caddies, Dance Hall Crashers, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Suicide Machines, Save Ferris and the Aquabats – the latter a superhero-themed family-friendly eightpiece who counted a pre-fame Travis Barker in their number – were mainstays. The idea a lot of people have of what a ska punk band is – a too-large group playing fairly samey, trombone-heavy songs and ironic cover versions to a parking lot of fans in identical checkerboard Vans – came out of Warped Tours featuring, well, bands exactly like that. Beyond the juggernaut that was Warped, one of the biggest platforms in making ska punk huge ended up being video games. Skate legend Tony Hawk inadvertently gave the genre a huge leg-up via the Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater video game series . The games’ soundtracks were more diverse in terms of genre than the collective memory has decided, featuring hip-hop, metal and classic punk but their ska punk tunes are the ones that have become most associated with the franchise. Goldfinger’s singalong anthem Superman is the unofficial theme tune to the whole series. “It would never be the song it is today without Tony Hawk’s help,” Goldfinger frontman John Feldmann told Loudwire in 2020. “I don’t know if it was a marketing person who suggested that Goldfinger was having success and you should put them in your game or if he just really gravitated toward the song. I’ve never met Tony, but I’m really grateful that he chose us to put in his game.”

By the first few years few years of this century, the ska punk bubble had burst. There was never a point when touring in a nine-piece band was economically viable, and the novelty value of a ska cover of a pop classic just wore off over time, as pretty much every signed ska punk band jumped on that bandwagon – Save Ferris doing Come On Eileen , Goldfinger doing 99 Luftballons , Less Than Jake covering the Grease soundtrack… Everyone got the joke. At the same time, the music on the Warped Tour diversified, with hip-hop and metalcore featuring heavily. Nu-metal and pop-punk bands sold in the millions. The big ska punk names continued to tour almost constantly, but no new bands seemed able to break into that small group – or maybe the bands ambitious enough to do so were ambitious enough to play something other than ska punk. Either way, the glory days of ska punk were over. Dust gathered on trombones and moths feasted on checkered Vans. But ska punk’s lifers play on. “We love our songs,” says Less Than Jake’s Lima. “We love playing our songs, we love what we do and it’s cool that there are people out there still dancing around.”

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The year was 1995. Lollapalooza was already ruling the roost as a major touring festival capitalizing on the popularity of the alternative music scene at the time. The H.O.R.D.E. tour had also found some success focusing on a more roots-based lineup of acts since starting in 1992. And Ozzfest was still a year away from happening. But there was a new tour ready to get underway, one that focused on a more underground lineup of acts: The Warped Tour .

Concert promoter Kevin Lyman worked in connection with Ray Woodbury, Warp Magazine and CAA to develop the festival that was initially aimed at targeting punk music fans and tying in with skateboarding and extreme sports culture.

The first Warped Tour kicked off June 21, 1995 in Boise, Idaho, wrapping just shy of two months later on Aug. 18, 1995 in Detroit, Michigan. It would not only feature punk acts, but also included acts with hardcore, reggae, ska and grunge roots, with a few big name acts using the festival as a springboard into a bigger career. Fans were also treated to pro skating, boarding and biking exhibitions with a monster halfpipe, a giant climbing wall and other forms of entertainment.

So who rocked the initial Warped Tour, helping to launch the “punk rock summer camp” tradition? Find out what happened to the bands from the first Warped Tour lineup below.

Where Were Quicksand Before Warped Tour? 

The four-piece of Walter Schreifels, Tom Capone, Sergio Vega and Alan Cage were one of the buzziest bands on the Warped Tour, turning heads with their post-hardcore gem Slip in 1993. With a new album just released in February 1995, the Warped Tour offered them a chance to grow their audience and turn people on to the Manic Compression album, sometimes as the top billed act on the tour.

Where Were Quicksand After?

Sadly, for fans of the band, Quicksand’s run ended shortly after the Warped Tour concluded. The group split in October of 1995 while dealing with internal conflict in the band. Oddly enough, the Warped Tour provided a landing point for a few of the members with Schreifels producing music for Warped mates CIV and Cage joining another Warped act Seaweed. Years later, Vega would play bass for another inaugural Warped act, Deftones.

A reunion would follow in 1998 with an attempt at a new album, but tensions arose again with the group once again splitting before any material was released.

A decade would pass before Quicksand would enter the conversation again, this time reuniting for a Revelation Records 25th anniversary show in 2012. More shows followed, then a full-fledged tour, and by 2017 they were once again working on new material. The 2017 album Interiors and its 2021 follow-up Distant Populations were both critically praised efforts.

Where Were L7 Before Warped Tour?

At the time the Warped Tour arrived, they might have been the most recognizable band on the bill. L7 kicked off their career with 1988’s self-titled album and 1990’s Smell the Magic , but really saw their career take off with alt-rock’s emergence and their 1992 Bricks are Heavy album, featuring the breakout single “Pretend We’re Dead.” They issued the critically hailed follow-up Hungry for Stink in 1994 and were over a year into touring the record when Warped began.

Where Were L7 After?

The band’s fortunes started to fade as the grunge era came to its conclusion. L7 issued The Beauty Process: Triple Platinum in 1997 and Slap-Happy in 1999 to diminishing returns. In 2001, they announced their “indefinite hiatus,” with the members splintering off into other projects. But in 2014, they reformed with the core ‘90s lineup of Donita Sparks, Suzi Gardner, Jennifer Finch and Demetra Plakas. By 2019, a new album was issued titled Scatter the Rats . They remain active, having played a 30th anniversary tour in support of Bricks Are Heavy in 2022.

No Use for a Name

Where Were No Use for a Name Before Warped Tour?

After releasing Incognito in 1990 and Don’t Miss the Train in 1992, No Use for a Name dropped Leche Con Carne in February. An opening slot on The Offspring’s Smash tour and the Warped Tour invite helped to raise their profile at the time.

Where Were No Used for a Name After?

The prolific punk outfit had a wealth of lineup changes over the course of their career, but it never slowed them down. They issued nine albums over an 18-year period, including five after their first Warped Tour run. But the band came to its conclusion in 2012 with the death of longtime guitarist and vocalist Tony Sly. They’ve reunited for two one-off performances since then under the moniker No Use and Friends.

Where Were No Doubt Before Warped Tour?

Wait a minute, weren’t No Doubt a huge band? Not at the time that Warped Tour came about. They struggled out of the gate with 1992’s self-titled debut, enough so that they had to self-record and independently put out their sophomore set, The Beacon Street Collection , in early 1995 just to get Interscope back on board to let them record the Tragic Kingdom< album that would be their commercial breakout. Warped Tour gave them a proving ground, with “Just a Girl” arriving a month after the tour concluded with the Tragic Kingdom album following two months removed from Warped.

Where Were No Doubt After?

Warped definitely provided a springboard for No Doubt, whose Tragic Kingdom album would yield seven big singles over the next three years en route to a diamond certification in the U.S.

The band would score another hit record with 2000’s Return of Saturn album, would have a soundtrack hit with “New” from the movie Go and would lean into dancehall, electro pop and new wave influences on 2001’s Rock Steady album.

With a string of alt-rock and pop crossover hits, No Doubt dropped a greatest hits album in 2003 and took a hiatus in 2004 where singer Gwen Stefani then emerged as a solo star in the pop world. A reunion and work on a new album followed in 2008 with the record titled Push and Shove finally coming to fruition in 2012. Another hiatus followed, with the band playing shows sparingly. Stefani continued her solo career and appeared as a coach on NBC’s The Voice in recent years.  Her No Doubt bandmates formed Dreamcar with AFI’s Davey Havok and recorded an album. At present, No Doubt remains inactive.

Where Were Sublime Before Warped Tour?

Sublime had a strong following in their native Southern California and their ska-punk sounds felt like a natural fit for Warped Tour. At this point in their career, they had turned heads with their 1992 debut, 40oz. To Freedom , featuring the songs “Date Rape,” “Badfish” and “Smoke Two Joints.” but their 1994 follow-up Robbin’ the Hood yielded no singles and was largely overlooked.

Where Were Sublime After?

Sublime’s biggest success and biggest tragedy would follow their appearance on the 1995 Warped Tour. With a major label behind them for the first time, they entered the studio in early 1996 to record a self-titled album, but sadly singer Bradley Nowell died of a heroin overdose in May 1996, shortly after recording for the album had been completed and ahead of its scheduled release.

That self-titled album yielded the band’s biggest single, “What I Got,” as well as “Santeria,” “Wrong Way” and “Doin’ Time,” all alt-rock radio hits.

With Nowell’s death, the group essentially disbanded with a number of posthumous releases coming out in the years that followed. Eric Wilson and Bud Gaugh formed the Long Beach Dub Allstars in 1997, but the group disbanded in 2002.

In 2009, Wilson and Gaugh reunited for a show with a new vocalist, Rome Ramirez, but a lawsuit was brought by Nowell’s family to prevent the trio’s continued use of the Sublime name. Eventually, the trio continued by calling themselves Sublime With Rome. They’ve since recorded a trio of albums, though Gaugh would leave the group in 2011.

Where Were CIV Before Warped Tour?

CIV were essentially newcomers in 1995, though Anthony Civarelli, Sammy Siegler and Arthur Smillos had previously played in the band Gorilla Biscuits. Warped Tour gave the band their launching point, with their debut full-length album Set Your Goals arriving two months after Warped finished.

Where Were CIV After?

The band scored their lone hit with “Can’t Wait One Minute More” off the Set Your Goals album when it arrived in October 1995. They returned with 1998’s Thirteen Day Getaway and then disbanded in 2000. A compilation of their music was released in 2009, and they’ve played a few scattered one-off reunion shows in the years since their final studio album.

Where Were Deftones Before Warped Tour?

Once again, you think of Deftones being a major rock band, but in 1995, they were truly just starting out. Their debut album, Adrenaline , wouldn’t be released until October 1995, so Warped Tour was their introduction for a lot of fans attending the new festival that year.

Where Were Deftones After?

Deftones quickly made a name for themselves with their crushing sounds and ferocious performances. The songs “7 Words” and “Bored” got word of mouth rolling on their debut album. Their 1997 album Around the Fur continued to build the buzz thanks to the hard-hitting singles “My Own Summer (Shove It)” and “Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away),” but it was the 2000 White Pony album that truly put them on the map with alt-rock radio.

The band remained a strong presence through the 2000s with a self-titled album and Saturday Night Wrist but tragedy struck in 2008 as bassist Chi Cheng suffered a brain injury following a car accident. The band shelved their Eros record they had been working on, while Cheng remained in a minimally conscious state for several years. The bassist would eventually die in 2013 after falling into cardiac arrest.

Eventually deciding to move forward, the band recruited Quicksand’s Sergio Vega to fill in for Cheng, and they released one of their most powerful albums to date with 2010’s Diamond Eyes . The 2010s were a particularly epic period for the band, finding success with Koi No Yokan , Gore and 2020’s Ohms albums. They remain one of hard rock’s top bands.

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Face to Face

Where Were Face to Face Before Warped Tour?

Face to Face were still on the rise when the Warped Tour arrived in 1995. Their 1992 debut album, Don’t Turn Away , garnered the attention of Fat Wreck Chords, who re-released it a year later. They went through a similar situation with their sophomore set, 1995’s Big Choice , which was initially released by Victory Records before A&M picked it up for a re-release. Both their first two albums featured the standout song “Disconnected,” which started to garner radio play giving them some recognition leading into the festival.

Where Were Face to Face After?

The band never quite hit it big, but remained a prolific recording act with a strong live show in the years after the Warped Tour. They recorded five more albums before going on hiatus in 2003 and disbanding a year later after announcing a farewell tour.

The split wouldn’t be forever though, as the group reunited in 2008 and have released five more records in the years since.

Good Riddance

Where Were Good Riddance Before Warped Tour?

The Santa Cruz-based hardcore punk outfit were new to the scene in 1995, having just released their debut album, For God and Country , in February of 1995 with Fat Mike of NOFX and the head of their label Fat Wreck Chords serving as one of the producers.

Where Were Good Riddance After?

Good Riddance have endured through a pretty steady career. They’ve recorded nine studio albums total, including that 1995 debut album. There have been a handful of lineup changes over the years, and the group actually split in 2007 before deciding to reunite five years later in 2012 and record two more albums in the years since they got back together.

Guttermouth

Where Were Guttermouth Before Warped Tour?

Guttermouth had already established themselves as a raucous and often outrageous act by the time they reached the Warped Tour in 1995. They were two albums into their career, currently touring off of 1994’s Friendly People sophomore set.

Where Were Guttermouth After?

Guttermouth recorded seven more studio albums after their inaugural Warped Tour run in 1995, though their last release was 2006’s Shave the Planet record. They continued to tour in the years since, taking a hiatus in 2013, but returning with a reformed lineup in 2015.

The band did have some issues with Warped Tour in 2004, insulting some of the other acts on the bill and openly mocking what they viewed as uniformed political commentary from some acts. After several weeks they were asked to leave the tour. Singer Mark Adkins issued a statement apologizing to Kevin Lyman and revealing they had left the tour voluntarily, admitting his distaste for the political atmosphere surrounding the festival.

Sick of It All

Where Were Sick of It All Before Warped Tour?

The New York-based hardcore act Sick of It All had three albums under their belt in 1995, the most recent being the aggressive 1994 effort Scratch the Surface , featuring the title track and “Step Down.”

Where Were Sick of It All After?

Over time, Sick of It All earned a reputation as one of the most respected hardcore acts going. They’ve recorded nine more studio albums since that Warped Tour appearance in 1995, with the most recent being 2018’s Wake the Sleeping Dragon . They are the rare act that hasn’t split or endured a long hiatus at any point over the course of their career.

Where Were Tilt Before Warped Tour?

Tilt enjoyed a solid debut with their 1993 album Play Cell , and they looked primed for a big jump after opening for Green Day on the Dookie Tour in 1994. The sophomore set, Til It Kills , arrived in the spring of 1995, just ahead of the Warped Tour.

Where Were Tilt After?

The band recorded two more studio albums — 1998’s Collect ‘Em All and 1999’s Viewers Like You — for Fat Wreck Chords before calling it quits. A split briefly occurred in 1996, but they reunited in 1997. They’ve since played a pair of reunion shows, one of which was a Fat Wreck Chords 25th anniversary in 2015 and the second came in 2017 at the famous 924 Gilman Street venue in San Francisco where they got their start.

Where Were Wizo Before Warped Tour?

Germans do punk too! In fact, Wizo had three studio albums already in their homeland and a fourth, titled Herrenhandtasche set to arrive just after the Warped Tour concluded in 1995.

Where Were Wizo After?

Wizo primarily opted for 7” singles and EP offerings in the years after Warped Tour. They did make a name for themselves in the music industry in 2004 by being the first act to issue a single (known as the Sick EP) on USB flash drive. Later that year they issued the Anderster album, before deciding to call it quits a few months later in early 2005.

They reunited in 2009 and tour in 2010. They’ve since released two more studio albums and issued the single “Grauer Brei" in May of 2023, marking their first new music in five years.

The Ziggens

Where Were The Ziggens Before Warped Tour?

1995 was a big year for self-proclaimed “cowpunksurfabilly” band The Ziggens. After three previous records, the Huntington Beach rockers dropped a pair of albums in 1995 — Chicken Out! and Pit Stop .

Where Were The Ziggens After Warped Tour?

The band kept up a pretty hectic recording schedule into the early 2000s, issuing six more albums before signing off with their 2003 Greatest Zits: 1990-2003 compilation. The group eventually reactivated, returning to the studio and recording their Oregon album in 2021.

Who Else Was on Warped Tour’s Inaugural 1995 Lineup?

As with most years of Warped, there was a wealth of acts participating in the first year and we didn't get to all of them. It would grow even bigger in subsequent years. But some of the other acts who played the inaugural Warped Tour year include Lagwagon, Orange 9mm, Seaweed, Swingin’ Utters, Sense Field, Blue Meanies, The Grabbers, Fluf, Alligator Gun, D.G.T., Dimestore Hoods, Integrity, Into Another, The Lordz of Brooklyn, Mung, Protein, Red Five, Shyster, Supernova, Tree and Your Mom.

The initial Warped also played host to skating and extreme sports exhibitions from Steve Alba, Neil Hendrix, Remy Stratton, Angie Walton and more.

What Happened to Warped Tour After 1995? 

Warped Tour just continued to get bigger and evolve after its initial run. The Vans shoe company would become its major sponsor for the remainder of its run. While punk remained a staple throughout, emo and metalcore acts began to populate the lineup in the early 2000s.

Blink-182, 311, A Day to Remember, AFI, All-American Rejects, All Time Low, Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, Dropkick Murphys, Every Time I Die, Falling in Reverse, Good Charlotte, Less Than Jake, Motionless in White, Motion City Soundtrack, New Found Glory, NOFX, Paramore, Pennywise, Reel Big Fish, Silverstein, Simple Plan, Sleeping With Sirens, Sum 41, Thrice, Underoath, The Used, The Vandals and Yellowcard were among the acts who played the festival the most times.

And where some of the other ‘90s festivals went through dry periods over the next decade, Warped Tour kept it going as a touring festival through 2018. The traveling Warped Tour ended in 2018 . The Warped brand also expanded to include tours of Australia and events in Mexico and Japan. Plus there was a Warped Rewind Cruise at Sea in 2017.

After the 2018 tour, Kevin Lyman announced that there would be a 25th Anniversary Warped Tour celebration taking place in three locations — Cleveland, Atlantic City and Mountain View — in 2019. It now holds the record for the longest touring music festival run in U.S. history.

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Be it through record sales, tour receipts, or merchandising, there’s always been an unavoidable commercial aspect to popular music. But the music industry’s profitization of popular music arguably reached its zenith in the ’90s, especially from a touring standpoint. Packaged touring existed long before the advent of Lollapalooza in 1991, but the alternative-rock monolith opened the floodgates for a host of similar but different summer festivals. There was Smokin’ Grooves, Lollapalooza’s hip-hop counterpart. The H.O.R.D.E. Festival zeroed in on fans of jam bands and roots rock. Elsewhere, the Lilith Fair put a feminist spin on the otherwise male-centric festival touring circuit. For the first half of the decade, that divide-and-conquer approach served the industry well. With everything in its right place, there was plenty of room for bands, promoters, and record labels to line their pockets with green.

But by the latter half of the ’90s, the well started to run dry. Lollapalooza’s first wave came to a close after a relatively lackluster bill in 1997, while the previously mentioned tours that sprung up behind it fell by the wayside by the decade’s end. But somewhere in the oversaturated sea of summer tours that cropped up in the ’90s, the Warped Tour survived the breaking of the bow, building itself over time into the most enduring enterprise of the summer tour boom. Looking back, it’s not hard to see why Warped kept a lower profile when positioned against other tours. Whereas Lolla, H.O.R.D.E., and others fought to scare up as much MTV and radio-ready talent as they could, Warped founder Kevin Lyman’s scope was much smaller. Lyman let Lolla take the Pearl Jams, Smashing Pumpkins, and Metallicas of the world, opting instead to cater to fans of punk rock, ska, and other music that correlated with skateboard culture, which, with his help, was on the verge of breaking through the mainstream. It was a risky move, for sure. The thought of going small while everyone around him successfully gathered the biggest names in music could have buried Lyman and the Warped Tour pretty fast. Instead, that reverse ideology has helped buoy the tour for 20 years running.

Warped Tour launched in 1995 as a curious anomaly to the super-successful summer tour template adhered to by its competitors. While Lollapalooza gathered the reputation as America’s alternative music festival, Warped was alternative in the truest sense of the world. Where others zigged, Lyman insisted upon zagging. Its competitors charged concertgoers the hefty ticket prices that the market demanded, but Warped Tour tickets barely broke the $25 barrier. Other festivals shorted the smaller bands on their bills in favor of giving headliners prime slots and more time to play. Warped Tour functioned more like an egalitarian punk-rock brotherhood, where bands played different set times every day and everyone was given 30 minutes on stage. Bands affectionately called the tour a punk-rock summer camp. During the day they’d hang out and play; at night they’d all come together and barbecue.

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It was a tour devoid of status, probably because there were no real headliners to speak of, at least to start. Sublime and No Doubt were great scores in hindsight, but they had yet to make their indelible mark on pop music. The rest of the inaugural 1995 lineup was rounded out by The Deftones, Fluf, L7, CIV, Face To Face, Quicksand, and scores of other bands skirting the margins of the mainstream. But the festival’s outsider status was its biggest selling point. By digging just a layer or two beneath the surface, Lyman found a largely untapped audience that didn’t much care for the rock ’n’ roll A-list. Warped Tour audiences sought something different.

As alternative music became big business in the ’90s, so did alternative culture as a whole. Anything that gave off even the faintest hint of slacker indifference was looked at as an avenue for profit. That included skate and surf culture. Once the province of outsiders and misfits, ventures such as the X Games (which also launched in the summer of 1995) opened up skateboarding, surfing, and snowboarding to a whole new audience. Warped Tour similarly brought skate culture into sharper focus, giving fans a forum to watch legends like Rick Thorne and Steve Caballero hit the ramps while The Descendents tore shit up 100 feet away. There was a physical energy to Warped Tour that other touring festivals lacked. It was the perfect marriage of music and sport, an old skateboarding VHS tape come to life.

Warped started to steadily grow its brand after Vans jumped on board as the festival’s sponsor in 1996. Year two featured underground heavyweights such as NOFX, Pennywise, Rocket From The Crypt, and Fishbone, building upon the earnest foundation that was laid the year before. By 1997, Social Distortion and a young Blink-182, fresh off the release of its major-label breakthrough Dude Ranch , brought Warped a bit closer into the mainstream. With its biggest commercial challenger in Lollapalooza lying dormant by 1998, Warped Tour continued to grow, bringing in the purebred mainstream acts that it used to work around into the fold. Hip-hop (Eminem, Cypress Hill, Ice-T) and even neo-swing (Cherry Poppin’ Daddies) began to take their place alongside the festival’s cherished stable of Epitaph, Nitro, and Fat Wreck Chords-approved punk mainstays. But even as the festival broadened its scope, it didn’t feel as though Warped Tour was straying from its roots. Green Day might have held court in 2000, but it wasn’t uncommon for the pop-punk juggernauts to take an earlier slot than Millencolin or the Suicide Machines.

As the musical landscape fragmented and changed into the 2000s and beyond, so too did the tour’s musical identity. By 2005, the majority of the bands who made up the tour’s first 10 years phased out of the Warped framework. But what hasn’t changed is the festival’s innate feel for its audience. Twenty years later, Warped Tour fans are still those looking for something with one foot in the mainstream and one planted somewhere slightly left of center. The slots once filled by Rancid, Papa Roach, or The Mighty Mighty Bosstones are now being taken by As I Lay Dying, From First To Last, and From Autumn To Ashes. The players have changed, but the spirit and attitude of the tour hasn’t shifted much since Lyman first started aligning stages with skate ramps. In today’s age of two- and three-day destination festivals, the Warped Tour is among the last-remaining relics of an otherwise non-existent touring archetype. Left to his own devices, Lyman continues to operate by his own code and set of rules. Some things have changed and others have stayed the same, but it doesn’t get more punk rock than that.

Mike Pinder, Moody Blues keyboardist, dies at 82

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Mike Pinder, the keyboardist and last surviving original member of the rock group the Moody Blues, has died. he was 82.

Moody Blues bassist John Lodge posted a statement from Pinder’s family to Facebook. “Michael Thomas Pinder died on Wednesday, April 24th, 2024 at his home in Northern California, surrounded by his devoted family. Michael’s family would like to share with his trusted friends and caring fans that he passed peacefully. His final days were filled with music, encircled by the love of his family. Michael lived his life with a childlike wonder, walking a deeply introspective path which fused the mind and the heart.”

Pinder, born in the Erdington area of Birmingham, England, in 1941, co-founded the group in May 1964, co-writing the early hit “Go Now.” After several early lineup changes, in 1967 they released “Days of Future Passed,” considered one of the first prog-rock albums, which also saw Pinder’s debut recording with a Mellotron — an early electro-acoustic keyboard that uses manipulated tape loops to create an otherworldly orchestral sound.

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The instrument became a hallmark of Pinder’s style in the group, including on its timeless single “Nights in White Satin,” one of classic rock’s most soaring ballads, which eventually hit No. 2 on the Billboard charts. While the Moody Blues were entwined with the late ‘60s hippie era, the band never made it to the canonical Woodstock Festival — they were booked and on the original poster, but canceled for a European gig.

Pinder was an occasional vocalist in the Moody Blues, singing on tracks like “The Day Begins” and “Ride My See-Saw,” and drove the band to even headier progressive terrain on LPs like 1968’s “In Search of the Lost Chord” and 1969’s “On the Threshold of a Dream.” These albums would influence a generation of ‘70s prog acts like King Crimson, Genesis and Yes.

Pinder would go on to release nine albums with the band, including 1969’s “To Our Children’s Children’s Children” (inspired by the first moon landing), and broadened his repertoire of instruments to include Chamberlin and synthesizers. His last contribution to the group was 1978’s “Octave,” where he sang lead on the ballad “One Step Into the Light.”

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During and after his stint with the band, he released three solo albums — 1976’s “The Promise,” 1994’s “Among the Stars” and 1995’s “A Planet With One Mind.”

The Moody Blues were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2018. A full list of survivors was not immediately available.

“He created his music and the message he shared with the world from this spiritually grounded place,” Pinder’s family said in their statement. “As he always said, ‘Keep your head above the clouds, but keep your feet on the ground.’ His authentic essence lifted up everyone who came into contact with him. His lyrics, philosophy, and vision of humanity and our place in the cosmos will touch generations to come.”

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AFL's decision to ban skin fold testing for pathway athletes in line with other Australian sports like netball

Analysis AFL's decision to ban skin fold testing for pathway athletes in line with other Australian sports like netball

Skin folds have been a hot topic this week after the AFL formally banned clubs from conducting the test that measures them on any athlete in its talent pathways.

This follows the sport's decision to prevent draft prospects from being subjected to skin fold testing back in 2021 and removing player weights from any official AFL publication or website in January.

Body weights will now only be measured by qualified professionals in a safe and private setting, while women and girls in the system can opt out of being weighed entirely.

The ban on skin fold testing has been met with outrage, mostly from male figures within the media, who argue there is more to it than just "body shaming". Some critics have even gone as far to suggest the sport had gone "soft" and "the world had gone mad".

Former AFL premiership-winning coach Paul Roos was among those, telling the ABC's new AFL Daily podcast that if players were worried about skin folds, they should "go and find another job".

"Let's put it into perspective," Roos said.

"How many young 18-year-olds are going to line up if you put out a job advertisement that said: Play AFL football, free massage, free weight room, listing all the perks … but you have to get skin folds, and we'll pay you an annual salary of $350,000 a year?"

"The line would be 10 miles long, so this is just farcical … they're such a minor thing, to take them away seems ludicrous … There's plenty more pressures in footy than worrying about that."

The discussion has centred largely around how this may impact the development of aspiring male AFL stars, failing to prepare them for the big time, but a broader look shows other Australian sports have also been phasing out the test for a while.

For instance, in a female-dominated sport like netball, it hasn't been recommended for anyone in the pathways under the age of 18 for at least five years.

Once netballers reach adulthood in the elite system, they still only partake in skin fold testing by choice – generally before the pre-season, during, and after the season – to check whether they have actually been under-fuelling and if they need to eat more.

At a national level, the Diamonds started to use skin fold testing less and less during former head coach Lisa Alexander's tenure (2011-2020). This has continued under Stacey Marinkovich.

Instead, the world number one ranked team prefer to use DXA body composition data, a less invasive dual X-ray method that has a more accurate reading of body fat, bone density and lean muscle mass.

The DXA machine does have its limitations.

It is more expensive and not as portable as the caliper instrument used for skin fold testing, which is why some Super Netball clubs still use the old-school method. In Victoria, you also need a doctor's referral to go ahead with a DXA scan due to the small dose of radiation.

If players do opt-in for a skin fold test, then it is vital they receive education each year about what exactly they're measuring and how it could be considered beneficial for their progress. These results are always kept strictly confidential.

Netball Australia's national nutrition lead and Diamonds tour manager Kerry Leech has been linked to the sport since 1995 and said the national set-up had a good approach to this testing even back then.

Currently, Leech juggles her longstanding commitments in netball with her work in golf at the Queensland Academy of Sport, as well as her practice Eat Smart Nutrition.

Her career as a fellow sports dietitian (SDA) has spanned more than 30 years and involved consultations with a variety of elite sporting bodies, such as Queensland Cricket, Golf Australia, the Brisbane Roar, and the Brisbane Broncos.

Leech believes a widespread decline in skin fold testing began in roughly 2019 when the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) published two detailed resources alongside the National Eating Disorders Collaboration.

These triggered sports to review and assess whether the process was doing more harm than good.

The first is the AIS position statement on  disordered eating in high-performance sports. The second is a set of considerations for body composition assessments that were developed after a train-the-trainer approach was taken to educate staff at sporting organisations.

Both have shaped Netball Australia's policy.

"There is very little evidence in research papers that correlates exact skin fold numbers to performance," Leech told ABC Sport.

"Every sport is approaching it differently, but they're all working towards common goals with a focus on health and prevention of eating disorders without taking the performance lens off.

"When we talk about the AFL pathways, generally at that age an athlete is still growing and developing, and so many of those young male athletes will still not be in fully mature bodies.

"The actual application of the skin fold test, or anthropometry surface as we call it, is probably not as applicable during that time for that reason, because they're still in a period of growth."

Leech expects skin fold testing will still play a role for professional footy players at AFL clubs but hopes it is being conducted with care by those properly trained.

In an ideal world, Leech says they would receive education beforehand, have the ability to revoke their consent at any point, have it conducted by a trusted ISAK accredited anthropologist in a private setting and at a time where a battery of physical and strength measurements were also being done.

Then the overall trends – up or down – can be noted in correlation with other results to give the full picture of how an athlete is tracking.

This way, there is more focus on a range than on a specific number, taking into consideration that skin fold testing can be inaccurate and that bodies fluctuate day to day, week to week, particularly for women and girls during menstruation.

Asked for her personal opinion on whether it was an outdated method, Leech said skin fold tests are just one metric that really shouldn't be focused on in isolation as it can lead to psychological trauma for athletes if handled incorrectly.

"From the male high-performance programs that I've worked with extensively, the way skin folds are done and the way those results have been treated do cause distress," Leech said.

"Eating disorders don't present on the surface in athletes the way that many people would assume, they can present in any body shape, size, or age, so anyone could have one and you wouldn't be able to tell because they are still performing.

"There are many stories in sport where skin fold tests are done at a standard time within a club and that athlete knows it's coming up so therefore starves themselves before it … That's not going to be performance enhancing for anybody.

"The measurer should too be able to recommend certain athletes opt out if they think it is something they might struggle with, for their own best interests, because athletes are really good at looking at numbers and drawing conclusions from them, so we have to be considerate of that.

"It's important you do the least harm you possibly can."

As mentioned, Lisa Alexander was at the helm around the same time skin fold testing became less and less of a priority for the Diamonds.

Commenting on the response to the AFL's decision to ban the test, Alexander told ABC Sport she couldn't understand the outrage – particularly knowing this was just for the pathways – as in her lived experience, she had never once made the link between skin folds and performance.

During her playing years throughout the 80s and 90s in Victoria's state league, at nationals and in the Australian squad, she was never asked to do one.

The other reason is she knew the pressures of the test could lead to issues with disordered eating.

"It wasn't of interest to me at a Diamonds level as I'd already had experience with athletes that had eating disorders before I took on that role," she said.

"As a coach, you haven't got the expertise to deal with that, so I did not educate people on nutrition, diets, or anything relating to that, and I certainly didn't need to know their skin fold test results because that was between the dietitian and the athlete.

"Food is part of performance, sure, but we were concerned about it from a fuelling and recovery sense, and more worried about players under fuelling.

"We didn't necessarily need skin fold testing to determine that though … If a player had decided not to fuel themselves properly, then it would show up in their performance and they'd be unable to last a full game."

Netball has also never published player weights, instead publicising heights.

This was important, because over the past couple of decades, as coverage of women's sports, netball and the Diamonds grew, player priorities could be warped by the extra attention.

"We were trying to sell the sport and the girls had a thing about looking good in photos," Alexander said.

"That was a powerful motivator to restrict their eating and so we had to use an all-encompassing approach from staff to help them understand and make it clear that we needed them to be strong and powerful."

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